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AzulloriaAzulloria14天前
Just wanted to get my pondering out there, though these thoughts might be somewhat halfbaked and surface-level. There are some generalizations and this is just my opinion XD

First of all, I would like to get it out of the way that there are very legitimate critisicims towards some people that enjoy yaoi. For example. those calling themselves "fujoshi". Starting from the name fujoshi meaning "rotten girl" which brings forth the years of connotations of negativity and shame associated in reading/watching LGBTQIA+ materials. Some take problem with the term as the original meaning of fujoshi was derogatory due to the connotation being that the term referred to "rotten girls/spoiled girls" that cannot get married due to reading/watching gay relationships. So, it could be read as degrading towards the women and as seeing the LGBTQIA+ community as something shameful or something that can 'spoil' someone.(Just wanted to clarify here; since then some have reclaimed the term fujoshi, some are not comfortable with the use), the clear fetishization shown by some individuals, shipping going way too far (sending death treaths to authors) and other problems unadressed by this article.

Secondly, people don't have to enjoy yaoi or even like it for whatever reasons. This is meant to be a kind of a think piece regarding vocal hate towards those liking it. Not meant to adress those that don't like it and don't shame those who do.

Finally, I'm only focusing on yaoi here.

Also, full disclosure this text is coming from perspective of a woman within the LGBTQIA+ community (This is just to inform you where my perspective is coming from, as undoubtedly there will be some bias)

The reason I started looking into the subject is that, there seems to be a lot of hate thrown against people that enjoy yaoi. Especially, compared to people that enjoy yuri. So, I came up with a few possible (?) reasons. But first the basics.

0.5 Basics

Yaoi is a part of boys love (BL) genre that usually has more of a focus on sexually explicit material and romantic relationship between two male characters. It is also often persumably targeted more towards straight women/girls.Though this is a bit of a generalization as anyone can enjoy the genre and there are yaoi that are more plot focused whilst containing sexually explicit content.

Additionally, there are the genres of bara or geicomi that are specifically targeted for gay men.

1. Geared towards women... FETISIZATHION!!

Yaoi is geared more towards women and thus deemed by some as fetizisathion of gay men. This notion could be reinforced from yaoi's often pornographic content (That unfortunately too often spreads misinformation regarding gay sex).There is no doubt that some people do engage in fetizisathion.
However,from what I've personally researched it seems that many see yaoi as a safespace to explore sexuality. As,(and to an extent this is a generalization) straight men are often uncomfortable with yaoi and it prevents harassment of women and any others reading/watching it. (This focally negative aversion of yaoi partly, possibly, coming from homophobia)

I find this notion rather interesting as I have not seen the accusation of fethisization made towards straight men that enjoy yuri. I do believe that for some individuals this has roots in misogyny,in a belief that men's interests (here being yuri) are superior to women's interest (yaoi).

2. Made by women (Damaging gay culture?)

I think that this point pertains more to the hate expressed by gay individuals. As, I've seen notions that yaoi is harmful due to its often incorrect and unrealistic representation of gay culture and more fan-servicey content rather than actual realistic relationship between men. I'm not going to say that this is in any way incorrect as obviously I'm not a gay man. However, I would like to point out that I do not believe that these beliefs justify the absolute vitriol shown by some. As, its not like other genres of manga/anime contain particularly realistic portrayals. Fan service exists in most genres and additionally if the inaccurate portrayal actually affects someones perception it is more of that specific individuals problem for equating fiction with reality. As, the material is not meant to hurt anyone.

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Nia-kun11天前#97934252I'm not reading all that. Happy for you though, or sorry that happened. Anyway, please educate yourself. Wikipedia is not a source.

Here. I have more sources.

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www.animefemini...

www.google.com/...

If you still don’t want to read about it, check this section:

lgbt.wikia.org/... *japanese vs western usage section*

It’s been tainted by Western usage. It did not originally mean what most Westerners think it means, it’s a cultural misunderstanding by men who sexualize something made by lesbians for lesbians. Please do the research or don’t claim to understand a topic.
10天前
dynafire12天前#97931317snip

I'm not reading all that. Happy for you though, or sorry that happened. Anyway, please educate yourself. Wikipedia is not a source.
11天前
All media is harmful in some way or another. Yaoi is not particularly harmful or damaging to gay culture, if you watch/read it you might be somewhat discomforted, to which my personal suggestion is stop consuming it. That really is the extent of the harm, most who do enjoy it can separate fiction from reality. Furthermore, even those who would have difficulty understanding that what they consume is fiction are outliers, and have no influence over your life. You don't need to pay them any mind, whether you think they're fetishizing you or not. At the very least, don't blame the media for what people do or think, much like violent video games or fanservice in anime, I don't think there is a reasonable argument that it should change or not exist.
11天前
sougyaranbam12天前#97930054at the end of the day, it's all fiction for me and i can separate fiction from reality.Only a little reminder because I read a lot "I can separate fiction from reality". Real life TV shows, movies, novels, western cartoons, videogames, american and european comics, even porn, etc..., are all fiction. I say that because a lot of people seem to think that only japanese animation is fictional and apply "special rules" to it. At the end of the day, most of BL is just drawn/animated porn for women (too men) with a specific fetish like school girls, lesbians or rape for men. People can watch whatever want if they dont hurt anyone but must understand too that other people can feel uncomfortable or even disgusted with it when they are seen like a fetish.
12天前
Nia-kun12天前#97931246Please educate yourself.
"In 1976, Bungaku Itō [ja], editor of the gay men's magazine Barazoku (薔薇族, lit. "Rose Tribe"), used the term yurizoku (百合族, lit. "lily tribe") in reference to female readers of the magazine in a column of letters titled Yurizoku no Heya (百合族の部屋, lit. "Lily Tribe's Room").[3][4] While not all women whose letters appeared in Yurizoku no Heya were lesbians, and it is unclear whether the column was the first instance of the term yuri in this context, an association of yuri with lesbianism subsequently developed.[5] For example, the tanbi magazine Allan (アラン, Aran) began publishing Yuri Tsūshin (百合通信, "Lily Communication") in July 1983 as a personal ad column for "lesbiennes" to communicate.[6]

The term came to be associated with lesbian pornographic manga beginning in the 1990s, notably though the manga magazine Lady's Comic Misuto (1996–1999), which heavily featured symbolic lily flowers.[6] When the term yuri began being used in the west in the 1990s, it was similarly used almost exclusively to describe pornographic manga aimed at male readers featuring lesbian couples.[4] Over time, the term drifted from this pornographic connotation to describe the portrayal of intimate love, sex, or emotional connections between women,[7] and became broadly recognized as a genre name for works depicting same-sex female intimacy in the mid-2000s following the founding of the specialized yuri manga magazines Yuri Shimai and Comic Yurihime."
-Wikipedia
In the West it was used in a pornographic context, but it's true origin in Japan was by lesbians for lesbians. Just because it's context has been "tainted" by fetishizers doesn't devalue it's original notations, at least in my eyes as a WLW.
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12天前
dynafire12天前#97924640Yuri was made by WLW/NBLW for WLW/NBLW. Yaoi was made by straight women for straight women to enjoy and encourages specific stereotypes that harmful to the LGBT community. Gay men have expressed discomfort with it for years. If they say it's fetishization, it is, and unless you are MLM/NBLM it's not your decision to make.

Please educate yourself.
12天前
sarahmad1312天前#97931171I'm not forcing you to and I'm not guarding the gate. I happen to think it's a good idea because we were basically all coming into this thread to talk about our thoughts on a certain type of media. You have obviously done what I was suggesting you should do. You came with articles and have clearly spared a few minutes to think about it. I have no idea why you are picking at something you have already done. We all agree that yaoi fan base has toxic elements with people that engage in garbage behavior because the never spare a single thought to what they are reading and how they are letting it morph their behavior in how the treat those they encounter. Most people naturally engage in some forms of self reflection and think about what they read and watch and why they like it. We see the ones that dont and participate in horrible behavior and attitudes. I really do not understand why you are so against a few moments of thought, but that's your business...

??? I was literally agreeing with you, I just said I don’t think people need to self-reflect on everything they consume in fiction because it’s entertainment at the end of the day, unless they are hurting real people with their behavior and how they let certain types of fiction fault their already skewed views of certain groups of people. No need for the aggressive reply but ok.
12天前
Nia-kun12天前#97924552

I'm not forcing you to and I'm not guarding the gate. I happen to think it's a good idea because we were basically all coming into this thread to talk about our thoughts on a certain type of media. You have obviously done what I was suggesting you should do. You came with articles and have clearly spared a few minutes to think about it. I have no idea why you are picking at something you have already done. We all agree that yaoi fan base has toxic elements with people that engage in garbage behavior because the never spare a single thought to what they are reading and how they are letting it morph their behavior in how the treat those they encounter. Most people naturally engage in some forms of self reflection and think about what they read and watch and why they like it. We see the ones that dont and participate in horrible behavior and attitudes. I really do not understand why you are so against a few moments of thought, but that's your business...
12天前
i do find your insight interesting and can agree with some.
i get a lot of hate and negative comments by people in my discord server because i'm heavily into the yaoi/bl genre. i generally brush it off, but there are times when i do get peeved off -- for example, my friend and i were talking about yaoi and some person tried to criticize us by asking us why do we keep looking at it so i proceeded to ask them what was wrong with it. their response? "literally male on male." all right, i see you, internalized homophobia.

although i do have to disagree with the notion of fetishizing gay men as a reason for liking yaoi. i like yaoi because i like ikemen and am attracted by them. add another ikemen with some steamy action and you have my undivided attention.
at the end of the day, it's all fiction for me and i can separate fiction from reality.
12天前
Maybe I'm a bit of an outlier here but as a gay guy I enjoy yaoi, to an extent. As many have pointed out there are many harmful tropes and stereotypes that fetishize and pander to straight women, but there's some great yaoi out there and I'm not ashamed to say I enjoy reading it. Perhaps it has to do with the fact that I can see myself in the character's places or can relate to them on some level, and maybe it has to do with the fact that I'm attracted to them. Either way, as a gay guy, I like yaoi. I'm not going to argue that it's not problematic because there does need to be progress to combat fetishization, etc, but for the most part I've never really had a problem with it personally. Would it be great to see gay men writing gay stories? Yes, representation is important. But not every writer has to have experienced what their character's have to write a great story.
12天前
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